Plato and Aristotle

Plato: Have you met Cratylus, Aristotle?

Aristotle: No. Hello.

Cratylus waves.

Plato: He doesn’t speak these days.

Aristotle: Why not?

Plato: He said you can’t make a statement about anything because it’s all in constant motion.

Aristotle: Well, that’s… Cratylus, Does air, fire and water exist?

Cratylus waves finger back and forth.

Aristotle: I see what you mean.

Plato: So, last time, I was telling you about the Forms.

Aristotle: Yes.

Plato: So, God had ideas. These ideas were put out there. They became the actual things we see.

Aristotle: You left out an important part.

Plato: What’s that?

Aristotle: How?

Plato: They had the power to become…

Aristotle: I can believe it but will others?

Plato: You have a point.

Aristotle: I usually take a while to make a point.

Plato: I know, I read some of your stuff.

Aristotle: Let’s ask Cratylus – What about the “Forms”?

Cratylus points thumb down.

Plato: He says he’s a realist.

Aristotle: I think he disagrees.

Plato: He does.

Cratylus makes okay sign.

Aristotle: What about the Prime Mover?

Cratylus puts his hands up in the air.

Aristotle: What does that mean?

Plato: He doesn’t know.

Aristotle: Does he write?

Plato: Ask him.

Aristotle: Do you write?

Cratylus nods.

Aristotle: Give us something in writing.

Cratylus writes and hands it to Aristotle.

Aristotle: Reads – Know thyself – That’s good.

Plato: He didn’t make it up.

Aristotle: Who did?

Plato: The Oracle.

Aristotle: What Oracle?

Plato: At Delphi.

Aristotle: What else have you got?

Cratylus writes – Nothing in excess.

Aristotle: I like it – it’s short, wise…

Plato: He didn’t make it up.

Aristotle: Oracle?

Plato: I think so.

Aristotle: Have you made up anything?

Cratylus shakes head side to side.

Aristotle: Well you should – write some stuff.

Cratylus gives okay sign.

Plato: He won’t do it.

Aristotle: It’s just advice.

Plato: Will you do it, Cratylus?

Cratylus shrugs shoulders.

Plato: I told you.

Aristotle: I’m putting together something – I’m collecting all the wisdom so far …

Plato: Isn’t that a lot?

Aristotle: You’d be surprised how little there is. I mean good stuff.

Plato: What have you got?

Aristotle: Let’s see … Here it is:

Know thyself.

Nothing in excess.

The tongue has no bones but it crushes bones.

The camel can’t see its own hump.

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.

In all things that you do, consider the end.

In giving advice, seek to help, not to please.

Quit while you’re ahead.

Reprove your friend privately, commend him publicly.

Never become a surety for a loan between two others.

He who has learned how to obey will know how to command.

Society is well governed when its people obey the magistrates, and the magistrates obey the law.

Never give a sucker an even break.

Plato: That’s good – now what?

Aristotle: I will try to go further.

Cratylus writes – don’t you mean ‘farther’?

Aristotle: No, it’s further.

Plato: Further, farther, forget it. I hate to hear people argue.

Aristotle: He doesn’t speak!

Plato: You know what I mean.

Aristotle: Cratylus, are you wise?

Cratylus nods up and down.

Aristotle: Are you sure?

Cratylus nods side to side then winks one eye.

Aristotle: He says a lot without speaking.

Plato: You’re telling me?

Trinity

We have invented the word “trinity”. In doing that. we created our own problem. Now we have to explain how God is a “Trinity”.”

God is under no constraint to explain Himself to human beings. Moses asks God who he should say is demanding that the Pharoh release his people. God answers: ” I AM THAT I AM” This is not an explanation. It is a statement. Jesus says: “I and the Father are one.” This, too, is not an explanation. It is a statement of truth.

I have read the explanations of several learned Christian men. After much reading, I am no further along in understanding. I am not confused by their elaborate writing. Jesus said, “The Holy Spirit is like the wind…” That’s not an explanation. Jesus later tells where the Holy Spirit will be. “He is with you and he shall be in you.”

Again, God is under no obligation to explain Himself to us. We have assigned ourselves this task. It is not required. When did Jesus say, ‘I hope all you boys understand what I have been implying. You must have an explanation ready when someone accuses you of having “Three Gods” in your religion, and they will.’ No. He says nothing like this.

We are individuals, sadly disconnected from God. God is a relationship. We are made to be in relationship to God. Else, why would he let us know that we are made in the “image and likeness” of Himself?.

This means we are made for relationships. A relationship with God and relationships with other people.

Now in the Old Testament, we find these are relationships of love:

Love the LORD…

Love your neighbor…

But God is relationships of love. “This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased.” The fruit of the Spirit is love first. These and other statements show this.

Where is the command to explain God?

I believe in the Father.
I believe in the Son.
I believe in the Spirit.
The LORD, your God is one God.

Deuteronomy 6:4 says
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD”

Mark 12:29 quotes Jesus
And Jesus answered him, the first of all the commandments is, “Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”

The human mind is wonderful. But when it comes to discovering God, it is not the first place to go. It says: the natural mind does not reveal God in an intellectual manner. If you don’t believe this, read the Greek philosophers. They went as far as “The Prime Mover” and even if the regarded the existence of God, they could not say much about what the Creator was like except that he was creative.

First comes revelation from God. Jesus said, “Flesh and blood has not revealed (who I am) to you, but my Father which is in heaven.” Then we may reach a point where we say, “This makes sense.”

We create our own problem. We hear there is Father and Son. We conclude, “Oho! There are two!” When informed of the Holy Spirit, we say, “Ha! Now there are three.” But our kind of counting does not work towards God.

We have not been told that there are three. We have been informed that “The LORD, your God, is One God”

John who told us things that Jesus did, now has had time to think. He makes this statement: “God is Love.” He does not explain it. He simply states this. We cannot really “understand” this. We don’t understand God or Love. This has been revealed to John by the Spirit.

We can believe it. We can say it is true. This is the Divine Being and divine love. But we can’t explain it. A person can have a moment from God that makes this fact clear to them. But they still won’t be able to explain it in a logical way. They can say, “I know this is true.” or “God has shown me this is true.”

Why not? There is nothing to compare it to in our understanding. We usually explain things with “This is like that.” But what if it is beyond comparison?

But God has made us so that we can recognize love.

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Dream

I lay upon my bed in tears, feeling sorry for myself and my condition. I felt the bed move slightly. I opened my swollen eyes and perceived a woman sitting at the foot. I did not trust my own vision and did not speak. “Is your sadness so profound that you cannot speak?” “No,” I said, “I did not know you were real and so did not address you.”

“You wonder who I am. I go by many names. Some call me Grandmother. Others call me Conscience. It is true I am old, even older than conscience or even consciousness.”

“Why have you honored me with your presence?”

“I was sent to help you. Your thinking is not right. You go against your own beliefs.”

“In what way?”

“You feel Fate has dealt you a great blow. Yet, you did not credit her for your success in the past.”

“I thought my cleverness had brought me happiness. Was this wrong?”

“You are clever but Fate is fickle, she is not like me. I always give my best to humankind. She is capricious. She raises one up while letting another fall. She knows nothing of Justice.”

“What can I do?”

“You can do much. Have you failed?”

“I think not. Jealous men have opposed me.”

“They brought your downfall?”

“This is what I have seen.”

“There is more to see. What inspires jealousy? Men see one who excels. They see them above and shoot arrows to bring them down. They find nothing in themselves to soar higher.”

“But why do those who have done no wrong have to suffer?”

“You have the answer within your grasp.”

I thought for a bit on her words. “Is it because they have not talent? They have risen by another means.”

“By what means?”

“By association with those who have risen. They encourage them with flattering words. The one flattered knows he is more lucky than skilled. He shows the flatterer the way to succeed. It involves a compromise with morality.”

“Is there more?”

“Yes,” I said, “He resents the man who applies skill and succeeds. It exposes the method that is devious and cannot hold up to bright daylight.”

“That may well be but now we come to your reaction to all of this. Are you sorry that you can’t compete against evil methods? Or are you sorry that goodness in not rewarded in this world?”🌎

“Your question confuses me. I do not know the answer.”

“Let us start in a different place. What is the most important thing in life?”

“Your questions are not easy. I think to have a clear conscience is the way to live in peace.”

“A fine answer. Now, why are you sad?”

“Because my good actions have had bad results.”

“You may be in a bad situation but is it a result of your good actions?”

“No. Should I blame Fate?”

“For what?”

“For my circumstances.”

“Have you seen others have bad results when doing good?”

“I have not looked for this.”

“There are many who suffer. Some from the their own actions, yes. But not all. Many have been tripped up while running. What was your goal?”

“Happiness, I suppose.”

“And what adds up to happiness?”

“Enjoying what you do. Gaining a benefit from your work. Having security.”

“Ah, I see the problem. You anticipared a secure foundation that would support your good efforts.”

“Yes, I suppose so.”

“And what is the secure foundation?”

“It can’t just be good luck.”

“No, Luck is no foundation.”

“I don’t know.”

“Let’s try and find one. Answer these three questions: where did your skill and ability come from? Why did you excel at what you do? What do you have that others do not?”

“The first is the hardest. I had an ability within me. I learned from others how to apply my natural ability. The others had experience. Others recognized my potential and gave me opportunity.”

“All you said is true, yet my question is not answered. Where did it come from? What is the source? Where do abilities come from to people?”

“Is the answer: God?”

“Well, can you say more?”

“If it doesn’t come from me, then it must come from another source. That source would be able to equip people to do something in their life. ”

“Yes, a benevolent Source. And this Source, is it intelligent?”

“It must be, because we are intelligent. It must also be good and wise and powerful.”

“Now, if this is your foundation, why do you think you have failed?”

“Because I am not happy.”

“So, happiness is the measure of a good life? Have you had no challenges in your life?”

“Yes, I have overcome a few setbacks.”

“What if this very moment was a gift to allow you to think about what is most important? And to evaluate whether you are going towards the best goal?”

“You are making me think harder than I ever have before.”

“That is my intention. You must have a goal that is worthwhile and attainable. Happiness is not a very good goal. Life is capricious, we have agreed. Your foundation and your goal must be of the same kind. Can you gain help from this God you have mentioned?”

“Wait, who sent you?”

“I must go now. You have enough to think on. Self pity will not help you. Gaining wisdom will.”

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